I am a longtime 'lurker' on your excellent blog. Most of the DIY baking soda-based recipes use baking soda, which is pure sodium bicarbonate - not baking powder, which is sodium bicarbonate plus acid salts (including aluminum salts).
I've wondered about why people get when they use baking soda deodorants (including LUSH's discontinued Aromacreme)... I have a couple of guesses: the first is that baking soda is so abrasive that delicate underarm skin just can't take it after a while; and my second guess is that you end up with little granules of sodium bicarbonate all over your skin, so that when you sweat, you have a locally saturated alkaline solution (pH 9 or more, it seems?), which irritates skin after a while. I'm curious to know what you think of these guesses!
Hi 'Lurker'. Thanks so much for your input and positive words! You are absolutely right about baking soda/powder. In my initial searches on this, I kept running across information that basically places baking soda and baking powder in the 'same drawer'. I have as yet to get down and dirty in my research of the chemistry of the baking soda deodorants, but I suspect you are quite right with both of your theories on why they are so abrasive.
This is now officially on my to-do list - find out exactly what it is that causes the abrasive reaction to baking soda deodorants. I will dedicate a post to this soon. Thanks again!!
I have been using Baking-soda based deodorant. I've heard from other people that the rash is mainly caused by the corn starch. After hearing that i switched to using arrow root powder, which also makes the deo. softer and creamer (no lumps! :) ), and haven't had the rash problem or irritation. The only irritation i get is when i shave and then immediately apply deo. I noticed the plain deo works quite well at blocking and absorbing odors for most of the day but if you add clove E.o. it works for the whole day and clear into the evening. Even if you go to the gym after work.
Oooh thanks Noaa! This is great input. I will have a serious look at this while I am researching the baking soda. Also, clove EO can be a skin irritant.. but I'm guessing you are using a very low dose..? (I imagine the scent is absolutely divine!)
Yes, alittle clove goes along way! I may also be immune to it. the only real problem I've had is that it leave alight stain on my skin (most of it washes off when i shower) after using it for a could of months.
Heather said…
I have also read that it is the cornstarch that causes the rash, because it is very yeast friendly. I have recently started using homemade deodorant, and my left armpit has a rash. I would assume that both arms would have a rash if I was reacting to the ingredients themselves, but my rashy pit looks a lot like the splotchy yeast infection my son got one summer while he was still in diapers.
Hi Heather - thanks for your input. That's another one I actually have on my to-do list-- check out the pros and cons of cornstarch in deodorants. From your experience with it, it sounds like you may just be right about the yeast-friendliness.
Anonymous said…
Interesting Lise. I was just doing a google on it as I was thinking of applying to with aloe juice to my dogs legs to keep him from licking. (tastes terrible). I know it's used to heal cancer sores in the mouth also. I think it might be too irritating for the doggie legs.... Rebecca
Anonymous said…
Interesting Lise. I was just doing a google on it as I was thinking of applying to with aloe juice to my dogs legs to keep him from licking. (tastes terrible). I know it's used to heal cancer sores in the mouth also. I think it might be too irritating for the doggie legs....
I used to make a great deodorant with Chitosan. You have to get it to an acid pH to liquefy. Works well though. Rebecca
Thanks for your input! Interesting idea with the aloe and potassium alum for your dogs! I've actually never heard of doing this before and wonder how it goes for you. Please do keep me posted!
As to the Chitosan - I'm not sure as to how this is an effective deodoriser? I only know it as a medical application. Could you elaborate on how you used it?
Rebecca - I just came across information (on the ASPCA site) that says aloe is toxic to dogs! Please do some research on this before you try it on your pets!
Anonymous said…
I have fallen to the nasty pit rash left behind from using a baking soda based product. I wish I would have found your site first! I thought it was a reaction to the essential oil that I used so I made another batch with different essential oils - after I had nursed my pits back - only to use the new batch one day and the rash is back!!! Going to try your recipe.
Hi Anon - Oh I'm so sorry to hear you have had a skin reaction from baking soda deodorant. I really hope you heal quickly and that my recipe is of help to you. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Judie - painting a mixture of alum and honey onto the face to whiten the skin was popular in the 1500's, but I'm not sure how effective it was. The folks you say are using this in lotion - are these DIY'rs? I can't find anything science-based on this, so already a little red warning flag pops up for me. I'll be doing a bit of research on this and may put it into an upcoming post. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Anonymous said…
I have been using baking soda deodorant for years. A few notes - 1. I only get irritation when I use it just after shaving...and sometimes in the middle of an extra hot and sweaty summer. 2. Baking soda works ok. Coconut oil works a little. Together they work wonderfully. Normally I use them mixed together into a convenient stick. 3. Shaving irritation is prevented by rubbing coconut oil onto armpits first, then patting on a little baking soda on top. This protects the skin from the baking soda. For the summer irritation, this seemed to result in happy skin where the coconut oil had been applied, with a ring of redness around it. 4. This seems to support the theory about baking soda making a high-ph solution when mixed with sweat. Maybe heavier sweaters are more prone to reactions than lighter sweaters like myself?
HI Anon, thanks for your input. I'm glad you have found something that works for you. I have received so many different accounts from people who have had reactions to baking soda deodorant. Unfortunately, using coconut oil as a 'protective layer' doesn't seem work for everyone. I also continue to get comments and mails from people who don't have any reaction to baking soda as deodorant until after several years of use. I hope your method continues to work for you and wish you the best. :)
Hello Lisa, Love your site and all your worthy information. I want to know more about the safety of Potash alum, is it completely safe. I am not able to find much information about it. As aluminum salts are mostly not safe. I was recently gifted with this substance, please let me know.
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I am a longtime 'lurker' on your excellent blog. Most of the DIY baking soda-based recipes use baking soda, which is pure sodium bicarbonate - not baking powder, which is sodium bicarbonate plus acid salts (including aluminum salts).
I've wondered about why people get when they use baking soda deodorants (including LUSH's discontinued Aromacreme)... I have a couple of guesses: the first is that baking soda is so abrasive that delicate underarm skin just can't take it after a while; and my second guess is that you end up with little granules of sodium bicarbonate all over your skin, so that when you sweat, you have a locally saturated alkaline solution (pH 9 or more, it seems?), which irritates skin after a while. I'm curious to know what you think of these guesses!
Thanks for your great blog!
This is now officially on my to-do list - find out exactly what it is that causes the abrasive reaction to baking soda deodorants. I will dedicate a post to this soon. Thanks again!!
I noticed the plain deo works quite well at blocking and absorbing odors for most of the day but if you add clove E.o. it works for the whole day and clear into the evening. Even if you go to the gym after work.
Also, clove EO can be a skin irritant.. but I'm guessing you are using a very low dose..? (I imagine the scent is absolutely divine!)
Rebecca
I used to make a great deodorant with Chitosan. You have to get it to an acid pH to liquefy. Works well though.
Rebecca
Thanks for your input! Interesting idea with the aloe and potassium alum for your dogs! I've actually never heard of doing this before and wonder how it goes for you. Please do keep me posted!
As to the Chitosan - I'm not sure as to how this is an effective deodoriser? I only know it as a medical application. Could you elaborate on how you used it?
1. I only get irritation when I use it just after shaving...and sometimes in the middle of an extra hot and sweaty summer.
2. Baking soda works ok. Coconut oil works a little. Together they work wonderfully. Normally I use them mixed together into a convenient stick.
3. Shaving irritation is prevented by rubbing coconut oil onto armpits first, then patting on a little baking soda on top. This protects the skin from the baking soda. For the summer irritation, this seemed to result in happy skin where the coconut oil had been applied, with a ring of redness around it.
4. This seems to support the theory about baking soda making a high-ph solution when mixed with sweat. Maybe heavier sweaters are more prone to reactions than lighter sweaters like myself?
Love your site and all your worthy information.
I want to know more about the safety of Potash alum, is it completely safe. I am not able to find much information about it. As aluminum salts are mostly not safe. I was recently gifted with this substance, please let me know.
Potash alum is the same as potassium alum. It has various common names.